perspective view in Wildfire Drawing

[sander]

I cannot find a way to insert a drawing view that is in Perspective projection.

Can anyone give me some clues ?

 

[sander]

finally I have found it.... Not a real piece of user friendlyness....

 

[AHA-D]

I don't think the words "ProE" and "user-friendliness" can co-exist in the same dictionary ......


Alex

 

[Israr]

sander and AHA-D,


If you are using Wildfire 2.0 and you are engineers and authorized users, then it is very unfair if you declare ProE as not-user-friendly.


Israr

 

[burnsp]

As an engineer and authorized user (WF 1.0), I'm sure there is some sarcasm there but I just can't see it.

 

[sander]

I am an authorized, paying user of the software,

But I just think this particular way of making a view in perspective is not user friendly at all.



Just my two cents.

 

[AHA-D]

I will admit that I only know WF from occasional experiences. But ...


If you are used to carrying everything on your back and then someone gives you a wheelbarrow, then you would call that friendly. If however, by some other experience, you know that trucks exist, then being forced to walk behind a wheelbarrow isn't that friendly anymore.


That's what comes to mind when I hear people being excited by Wildfire functionality being demonstrated around here (still on 2001). To them it sounds like Santaclaus coming around, to me it's talking functionality that was around 5 years ago in real user-friendly programs.


Have been doing my best to adapt to ProE, but there are fundamental problems with this software that even a streamlined interface won't solve.


Alex


Alex

 

[OldSchool]

sander



What did you find on creating "perspective views" and where ?

 

[jrobi]

In my experiences- rather numerous at that- those persons claiming lack of user friendliness, claiming Pro to not be "intuitive" enough, too hard, difficult, awkward, etc; ARE little more than short sightedsimple minded peopleunwilling to THINK, even momentarily, onhow to use this incredibly powerful tool to its full potential. they want minimal, simple thought, and with that, through other products, (ei Inventor, SolidWorks) get simple, thoughtless models with very limited capabilities. PERIOD>

.02

 

[cfaulk]

I taught Myself Softkey keycad, then autocad, then Pro-E 2000i2, and now WF2. I have been exposed to Unigrafix, Solidworx, and Inventor.Since therewill always be those that prefer vanilla or chocolate just because of personal "taste", stilldoesthat mean that everyone will agree? I am constantly amazed at the power and ability of the Pro-E software to adapt to personal as well as company preference and/or needs. It can be simple, or as complicated, as each user makes it. Learn the tools and use them. UI's can be modified to taste and simplicity. Mapkeys, icons, configs, dtls. whatever you desire. It is that versatility and power that certainly in My mind makes it MOST user friendly (as is most of the Pro-E community populations.


Have a great one all

Curtis


Robbins Engineering Inc. Ft. Worth, TX

 

[sander]

In my experiences- rather numerous at that- those persons
claiming lack of user friendliness, claiming Pro to not be "intuitive"
enough, too hard, difficult, awkward, etc; ARE little more than short
sightedsimple minded peopleunwilling to THINK, even
momentarily, onhow to use this incredibly powerful tool to its
full potential. they want minimal, simple thought, and with that,
through other products, (ei Inventor, SolidWorks) get simple,
thoughtless models with very limited capabilities. PERIOD>

.02

I am not saying Wildfire is a bad program.

What I am saying is that adding a perspective view in this way is a
method you used to do 10 years ago or so. (experienced from max3.5,
autocad 10/12 etc.).

From my point of view, wildfire2 is a real improvement, but you can see
that the programmers did not have enough time to re-design the WHOLE
interface to today's standards. I am looking forward to WF3.

But maybe I am just a short sighted simple minded man. ;-)







Let's end this discussion and go to work.

Edited by: sander

 

[AHA-D]

Man, man Jeffery, you surely have your world sorted out and people categorized !


I will follow you this far that there are people that don't know how to model in a parametric 3D environment and blame their failure on the "program not working". They may even use the word "user-friendly" when the program fails to intelligently fill the gaps in their crooked model tree. But when educated and experienced users talk about user-friendliness they mean something different. I'll give you some examples :


You retrieve a dimension from your model into a drawing and want to add a tolerance to it. In the tolerance field you type 0.125 but the figure jumps back to 0.13 because - you notice at that point - the tolerance model is set to 2 decimals. So you hit the decimals setting to change it to 3 decimals, which makes the tolerance jump back to the default 3 decimal figure. So you get back into the tolerance field and set it back to 0.125. That's the ProE way. The user-friendly way is to accept the 0.125 the first time and adjust the tolerance model to 3 decimals, since this is what the user is typing.


You have a drawing with a view. Every line in the view is related to this view and the model behind it. To move the view you have to get into view commands, move, select the view, move it, and terminate with done, done, return ... That's the ProE way. The user-friendly way is detecting that the user holds a line on a view and is dragging away. The program understands the intent, moves the view and drops it where the user releases the mouse, after which it proceeds with the last command.


You have an assembly with some parts. You realize that one of the parts needs to be replaced by another one that you want to design from scratch. You would hit "delete" but find that this will kill all parts that have any connection with the original. So you redefine every part in question and deleteall relations with the first part, until all is gone and the first part can be safely deleted. That's the ProE way. The user-friendly way is to delete the one part and delete all relations to it, leaving parts underconstrained but alive in the assembly.


I could go on, but there's little use to it. You will suggest workarounds, create mapkeys, ... The simple truth is that ProE is built by programmers and not by designers. And the fact that I know from programming myself is thatmaking a program user-friendly and intuitivetakes at least as much energy as the functional programming itself. And contrary to this you get morerespect for a difficult program than for an easy one, since people connect "hard-to-manage" with "difficult-to-program". So ProE will be viewed by many people as leading the way while in reality ...


Alex

 

[jrobi]

mapkeys did come to mind. and my catagorization was a bit generalized. having run Pro, Catia, Inventor, and Solidworks- Pro is a good program when you take it down (or up) to the more complex functions.

no offense to those who are in the latter catagory as spelled out by AHA-D. Having tutored several Inventor transplants, one gets tired of hearing certain key phrases. now- BACK TO WORK>