Inventor or Proe?

[cristelino]

I could start this job and to Section Autodesk.
My question is addressed to those who know and also Inventor
Possible in recent versions of his invention can manipulate and manage large assemblies?
It is also easy to create lists of components and materials?
Me
and another representative of a design office, because we support each
other, he admits it is more professional in ProE, but having other
people not familiar with the software would be better to create and
manipulate assemblies in Inventor because it is easier to understand and the less initiated.
Inventor's now has the latest facilities required to handle assemblies with over 3000 components?
Thank you in advance for advice


Cristel

Edited by: cristelino

 

[Winslow]

1. 
   <LI>Inventor handles large assemblies quite well.The issue is how much system memory you have available.</LI>
   <LI>Creating BOM is easyand robust.In addition, it allows multiple BOM's of different assemblies on same sheet.</LI>
   <LI>Creating detailed drawings in Inventor beats Pro-E in professional appearance and ease of use.</LI>

Pro-E has its place in the CAD world and so does Inventor. It is a matter of what you want to do.

 

[cristelino]

I think the reason for which the inventor is the following;
-No complex components in terms of shape
At
the same time I want to have facilities that we found in ProE, family
tables, and simplified representations of parts of the same family,
etc..

I prefer to make up for Autodesk
Inventor because I worked several years ago to manage than a group
which is made by untrained in ProE

Anyway thanks for advice

Cristel

 

[ankarl]

"Inventor handles large assemblies quite well"


Dont think I would agree completely on that. Tested one of my assemblys in inventor. Not a huge thing, about 120 pro/E files and one casting. It was difficult to handle smooth, were it is easy in pro/E. They said it wsas about the limit of what inventor can manage in 32 bit XP. So yes, inventor might handle large assy's well but it takes a lot more system resources compared to pro/E

 

[Winslow]

1. 
   <LI>Inventor run on 32 bit XP was limited to 3Gb memory. Inventor now has 64 bit capability, thus more resourses available in terms of memory.</LI>
   <LI>Inventor uses Excel for family tables - very siilar to Pro-E.</LI>
   <LI>Complex components in terms of shapes is handled differently Inventor than Pro-E.</LI>

Bottom line; Inventor & Pro-E do have their similarities but there comes a point where they divergein addressing modeling, assemblies & detail drawings. Therefore, point for point comparison in terms of identical methods ofcreating models is difficult at best.

 

[Mindripper]

Here in the Silicon Valley, there are two prevalent MCAD tools: SolidWorks and Inventor. While I haven't used Inventor, it obviously has some serious capabilities if it can claim one of the top two spots in what is generally considered to be the epicenter of technological innovation on this planet. Pro/E "isn't even on the map" here in the Silicon Valley.

 

[dr_gallup]

Everything in silicon valley is flat, why do you even need 3D?

 

[Mindripper]

Uh, those little chips go into all kinds of interesting products that are not 'planar', dr_gallup. Besides, the moniker 'Silicon Valley' is kind of a misnomer these days. The Big Money these days is in green energy, medical products and handheld devices. There is a lot of that going on around here. Tesla Motors is just up the road (main offices ten miles to the east, new plant ten miles to the north), Solyndra is building a second plant, my company is adding a third building (medical lab equipment), and all the Big Players in handheld devices have had offices here for years now (none run Pro/E). Curious you should mention 'flat': about the only companies still running Pro/E here are two of the big semifab outfits - and their fortunes have been in decline throughout the New Millenium. Many of their best people have left: a number of them work here. This definitely isn't the Rust Belt: anything that sits long enough to start rusting gets removed and replaced, sometimes right out from beneath the operator.

 

[dr_gallup]

Tesla - what a joke. Did you throw money down their IPO rathole?

PayPal founder Elon Musk's seven-year old auto company lost $55.7
million last year and $260.7 million since its inception. The company
has performed so poorly from a financial standpoint that Musk recently
said he lost his entire personal fortune on Tesla. Earlier this year, Tesla borrowed $465 million from the Department of Energy to fund production of the Model S. By Tesla's own admission, the Model S has just one operable prototype, no final design or manufacturing process. What's more, Tesla has just 12 dealerships to sell and service its vehicles.

 

[design-engine]

I can't imagine using inventor do do anything unless of course I can use Alias which I suggested 2 years ago to several plm's at Autodesk. Looks like that's how they are bundling it now. together.I would have a hard time recommending anyone to use inventor besides these pesky inventors that never seem to have money.


Anyone ever work with inventors?The word leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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[Winslow]

Both Inventor and Solidworks are used in the manufacturing area primarily because of ease to port into other CAM systems. For this reason an Inventorguy can use MastrCAM, Delcam, GibbsCAM or some other CAM software that suits his needs better than the PRO-E module.

 

[Mindripper]

I have been working with inventors for years. While they are frequentlyignorant of the process of turning a concept into a product in full production, they eventually come to appreciate the benefits of planning for success. There are a lot of companies around here that have started with a few simple-minded inventors working out of their garage: HP, Intel, Apple andGoogle to name just a few. Of course, there are less successful examples too. They started out small (two or three guys), and it grew from there.


While most CAD systems will port relatively easily to CAM systems, thereis a specificadvantage for SolidWorks for MasterCam users: a defatured copy of SolidWorks is included FREE with MasterCam.


The main advantages of Inventor and SolidWorks over Pro/E (esp. for smaller companies) are: ease of learning, ease of use, higher productivity, large user base and reasonable costs.

 

[dr_gallup]

Bill Hewlett had a BA from Stanford and MSEE from MIT. I would not classify him as an "inventor". He was an engineer through and through. Same for the guys that started Intel. Inventors are wild eyed schemers ignorant of the first law of thermodynamics, conservation of mass & most other basic engineering principles.

 

[wamarler]

Inventors are wild eyed schemers ignorant of the first law of thermodynamics, conservation of mass & most other basic engineering principles.

The first law of Thermodynamcs is you do not talk about thermodynamics.

Still feeling out these forums... is humor appropriate?

 

[Mindripper]

"Inventors are wild eyed schemers ignorant of the first law of thermodynamics, conservation of mass & most other basic engineering principles."


Hmm ... sounds like Bill Gates to me. He doesn't have an engineering degree - or any degree, for that matter (honorary degrees don't count), and probably has a limited understanding of physics. But he is clearly quite inventive, and seems to have done okay in the business world. If only I could have done as well.

 

[cristelino]

Design Engine i agree with you but the client is ever rigt,sooo....
I think i was a sinner in a previous life if i`m oblige now to return to Autodesk products

Edited by: cristelino

 

[dr_gallup]

"Inventors are wild eyed schemers ignorant of the first law of thermodynamics, conservation of mass & most other basic engineering principles."


Hmm ... sounds like Bill Gates to me. He doesn't have an engineering degree - or any degree, for that matter (honorary degrees don't count), and probably has a limited understanding of physics. But he is clearly quite inventive, and seems to have done okay in the business world. If only I could have done as well.

Bill Gates should be drawn & quartered for the crap he fostered on millions for years. Only when he got so high up that he had little actual influence on the products did Windoze become a usable (although still poorly designed & executed) product. He benefited enormously from IBM picking MSDOS decades ago & then from predatory monopoly practices. He is a total sh*t. He is not an inventor either. I would classify him as a pirate.

 

[cristelino]

Okay.
Then as the project progresses I will have to keep abreast of what's happening.
So my mission is to design dosing pumps starting 0.2 mm up to 50 cubic
Pump must represent all positions of operation and a design flow of liquids.
Inventor FEA program integrates strong enough for it?
My
boss just thinks the extra money and has no technical studies so you
can imagine passing by tried to explain why I want people who are
familiar with ProE and specialized modules.
By the way: a good specialist Flow Modeler anybody knows??

Edited by: cristelino