inentor to pro-e

[Adamg]

Can pro-e open granite files and neutral files that were saved by inventor? Also can they be modified as if they were started as a .prt or will they be like a .sat file that limits the amount of modifying that can be done? The exchange would be between IV 2009 to pro-e wf3. I need to open up granite files from Inventorand be able to change anything on that part as if I started it. Can this be done?

 

[jeff4136]

Adam,


Is2008-12-31_141327_door-special.g.zip (WF4?) your file?


I've never seen anything here on Granite (*.g which differs
from Pro/E *.neu) neutral file use and don't know what it will
look like or can be done with it once imported.


If it is WF4 (? - 2700, Granite version 4) compatible I expect
you'll have to roll back the save as version for import into WF3.
Can you do that?


If it doesn't carry features and history with it (I sorta doubt
it will, but ...?**); I believe that Feature Recognition, which,
if it works, would allow 'edit like native' modification wasn't
introduced until WF4 so you might be out of luck all around.


If someone using WF3 or 4 doesn't pick it up and you can save
back to 2 I'll take a look at it.


* Some info (you may have seen) ...
[url]http://www.ptc.com/WCMS/files/40428/en/GRANITE_Techinical_To pic_Sheet-1.pdf[/url]
[url]http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/directconnect200808_he lp.pdf[/url]


** http://www.ptc.com/products/granite/faq.htm
"Feature-based modeling
GRANITE contains a feature-based modeling kernel, which
greatly simplifies the work of developing a modeling
application with feature-level controls. Feature objects
are part of the GRANITE model. All geometry in a GRANITE
model is contained in features with built in history to
show how the geometry is created. This allows easy rollback
and undo / redo at the feature level. Undo is therefore
available at the model level, not just the session level,
and per-model deltas are saved in the model so they do not
need to be regenerated when opened. Applications built on
GRANITE can see the features and history in other
applications' GRANITE data."

Note that it does not SAY edit.

 

[jeff4136]

Ok, I got a version 2 copy from the IV group.





... is what I see. No featuresor history (maybe later versions?).
Tried with ATB enabled (shown) and disabled.


What might interest me (it does as a curiosity and would if I were
working a project with an IV user); ~~supposedly~~ if you modify your
Inventor part; say, move or enlarge a hole; e.g. make some parametric
change, and export a new *.g I should be able to refresh my import
without any dependents, i.e. drawing annotations that I've created,
assembly contraints, etc. being lost. If you want to investigate
(and humor me 'cause I'd like to know) make a change and I'll see
what happens.


And, of course, it would still be interesting to see what happens if
someone with WF3 (+?) would try. It would be pretty nifty if I could
put a standard hole note (&pattern_no X &diameter ... etc.) on a drawing
of your part and have it update if you changed pattern instances, hole
dims, etc. or create pattern associative hardware placements ... things
like that.

 

[jeff4136]

A little more reading ...
[url]http://www.ptc.com/WCMS/files/62617/en/GCRI_Operational_Use_ And_Limitations.pdf[/url]
... describes Pro/E's cross release interop.


Most notably:
_ Earlier releases can see a feature list.
_ The features are read only in the earlier release.
_ Pattern information is not available in the earlier release, e.g.
reference patterns can not be created from them.

That's going from one version of Pro/E to an earlier release.
It's probably safe to say that only a subset of those capabilities
are available in any cross platform exchange and feature recognition
will be your only chance of getting an editable feature list.

 

[bobmann]

I'm going to have the same issue here. We will be getting some Inventor files (2008) from a vendor, and we want to use them in Pro/E Wildfire 3. And we would like to have a standard model tree that is fully editable.


I toyed around with WF 4 and the Feature Recognition Tool. FRT seems to work, but it's awfully slow and clunky. The parts we're getting will be fairly simple sheetmetal parts. It almost seems easier for us to just take the parts and re-model them from scratch. Still, I'm hoping there's a better way. Has anyone figured out how to bring Inventor files into Pro/E simply and easily?

 

[jeff4136]

I don't think you'll find any better answer with the
possible exception of a $15,000+ feature translator.


(I truly don't understand why anyone that's at all familiar
with CAx would expect otherwise.)

 

[bobmann]

This is what I was afraid of. I don't know Inventor from a hole in the wall, and was really only blindly hoping that I could get somtehing to work easily.


I've heard that these expensive feature translators don't even work all that well. Ugh. I guess we're going to be re-designing a lot of parts from scratch...