any CFD software intregated into ProE?

[zeta]

have you heard any 3rd party CFD software that can "plug-in" in Proe? especially for electronics cooling analysis.
because we are difficult to handle the update of proe model for the standalone CFD software, we need to re-enter the parameter for this software
Any software suggestion?

 

[Israr]

CFDesign


Israr

 

[Mloew]

Yes, CFDesign for sure, but also Nika and Fluent with their Fluent Connection offering.

You may also be interested in a new product called Fluid Connection from Pioneer Solutions. It will work with Acusolve and Fluent CFD solvers. Let me know if you are interested in more information.



Edited by: Mloew

 

[Remmerv]

EFD.Pro from Nika has the same philosofy as Pro/MECHANICA: easy to use, even for the non-diehard-CFD-Specialist. Very good results in the shortest possible timeframe, try it and decide for yourself.
Although this is acoloured opinion (we both use and sell the complete EFD range) we are impressed with the capabilities and ease-of-use of the NIKA software.
Anyhow:define your own resonable test project and ask your local CFD dealers of choice to perform with their solution, see the difference yourself! Do not let them fool you with their customized always-running slick demo's but use a real life problem from your own company and let them show you how they did it in their software.


In our region (The Netherlands / Belgium) we would take on the challenge anytime.

 

[ankarl]

Victor, just by curiosity, does EfdLab handle motion these days (prescribedand flow-driven, rotational and linear)?


Nice statement in the last row, Blue Ridge says exactly the same....
Edited by: ankarl

 

[Israr]

Remmerv,


Can EFD.Pro from Nika be integrated with ProE exactly the way CFDesign is done.


If yes I would like to evaluate it.


Israr

 

[napoleonm]

The best for you


CFDesign / have a look on www.cfddesign.com


it iscompleted adapted to pro/e, best value/money and adpatation time.


we use it here with Pro/e wildfire.


regards

 

[Remmerv]

Hi Israr,


EFD.Prointegrates the same way as EFD.Lab in Solidworks: You get an extra tab in the navigator window when the model tree is shown and an extra top Menu item. All operations are performed on the model (identical to Pro/MECHANICA), postprocessing is even done in the main graphics window! (here even MECHANICA uses a seperate window). Some time ago (2-years?) we compared EFD 6 with CFD 6.0 and the integration and user friendlieness of EFD 6 clearly outperformed that of CFD 6.0. Both have evolved since then and we are very pleased with the improvements since that time in the EFD software.


Please have a look at http://www.nika.biz/english/home/homepage.phpand see for yourself. If you have the opportunity to try it yourself you will find it extremely user friendly, providing you with accurate results with the lowest effort from the engineer. As stated earlier: just try the packages of your interest on your own problem(s), I'm pretty sure you won't be dissapointed by EFD.Pro.

 

[engineer0520]

guys,


efd sounds promising & convenient. however, it was just born during the wildfire era.


i'm trying to build a thermal design capability of my team. i'm only familiar with flotherm & icepak (pre-wildfire).


any other fluid dynamics software we could partner with Pro/E?





thanks.

 

[ndk]

Does anyone here use Fluent? is it good enough?


If possible, please post here some experiences and your comments about this software?


Thanx

 

[ankarl]

Fluent is one of the best.
But it requires an expert to fully utilize its capabilities. CFDesign and EFD Lab is more adesktop tool for an engineer.


I ran some comparing tests in all three systems with the goal to calculate flow forces on hydrulic components.


None of the systems came up with an acceptable error margin but all of them detected cavitation which was the error source itself.


Fluent was the most accurate (25% off compared to lab tests) but we didnt try all of its different cavitation models.

 

[ndk]

yes Fluent GUI is very difficult to use.

.


Anyone want to learn Fluent can visit here


http://www.fluent.com/software/studentfluent/tutorial.htm


It's a very useful link


best regards


NDK
Edited by: ndk

 

[sjjaber]

Hi all !

I think all CFD softwares have the suitable technology to deal with fluid dynamics problem. the important factors are the following:

1. Does this CFD software solve my problems?
2. Does this CFD software fit to my development process? in other words how fast can i get the answers that i need to develop my product?

you should answer these two questions simultaneously !!

if you ignore the second question you can end up with a good software that solve accurately your problems and cover you applictions BUT deliver a late answers to your product development.

if you ignore the first question you can end up with a software give you enough quick answers BUT not for your poblems.

so first know exactly what you need and how fast you can get this need!!

For example, if you deal with combustion you can find software with models that predict your problems! but need intensive work and time to get answres and to modified the design (imporve the design is the aim to use CFD). you can use a CFD software that can not deal with combustion but still can give you a valuable information to improve your time without the need to spend alot of time to simulate combustion.

So know exactly what you need and test the software to see if it fit with your development process.

CFD is a not the aim, it is a tool to help engineer to develop products

Best wishes

 

[zeta]

At first, the development process is Proe modeling, and then transfer to standalone CFD for simulation of electronics cooling. When the Proe model update, I need to manually update the CFD model also. I am doing the double work.

I make the try recently, to reverse the development process, using the modeller in CFD, make the change and optimize the design in it, then transfer the 3D model to Proe!

But the CFD modeller has too simple function: only primitives and basic assembly structure. I have to re-model it and I start to see some production problems in ProE 3D that cannot be found in CFD modeller......

I agree sjjaber example. so I am sourcing another CFD software that can plug-in Proe, design and simulate in the same environment.