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Posted: 08 October 2008 at 5:08pm | IP Logged Quote cristelino


Today i saw first time UG NX4 interface.
What you think guys??
ProE vs Unigraphics ....................the winner is????????????





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Posted: 08 October 2008 at 6:05pm | IP Logged Quote leow_john


If you want to create a full parametric, associative accurate model with a systematic method, Pro-E is the answer. If I want to create a shape somehow, in the case I don’t really worried about other people who will later work with my model, (with more often direct modeling tool) I will think about other systems.

I used to work with an electronic component manufacturing company, we tried a couple of systems on trial basis and all were a disaster except Pro/E.   Pro/E’s default accuracy itself is 0.0012 microns when other packages playing with 30 microns default.

I know here in Australia majority of automobile companies use Pro/E for their engine, power train and other important designs and use another surface modeling tool just for their body shape.
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Posted: 08 October 2008 at 8:22pm | IP Logged Quote jeff4136

> Unigraphics

Eng-Tips has a fairly active UG/NX forum. 
NX 4 is pretty old.  Look there is you're curious.

> Pro/E’s default accuracy itself is 0.0012 microns
> when other packages playing with 30 microns default.

Pro/E's default (Relative) accuracy is a unitless value of 0.0012.
_ That value is a factor in an equation used to determine an 'effective'
  accuracy in model units used for feature creation / regeneration.
_ It is "default" only by virtue of being what 'out of the box'
  templates are set to and being recommended for 'average use' though I
  understand that factory recommendations are changing / have changed.
_ That value does not affect the accuracy of some calculations, i.e.
  explicit point positional tolerances and where certain analytic
  geometry types are involved, which are always done to floating point
  accuracy minus a few decimal digits rounding and noise buffer.  
_ If you are using Relative accuracy and want to see what the real value
  is look at the minimum resolution on an IGES or STEP export or an IGES
  export log.

Bottom line: there's little or no difference in the inherent accuracy of
any of the 'brand name' geometry engines. What you will find is that one
or the other tends to create 'cleaner' geometry at a given tolerance under
some or other specific conditions. That's more a function of specific
proprietary geometry creation algorithms.

There may also be some differences in extreme units (like microns) if
internal calculations are done using a specific unit rather than model
units.  Autodesk Inventor, for instance and if I understand correctly,
does all internal calculations in cm rather than model units.  Anyone
know if that's true of UG?  I should probably ask in a UG forum, huh? ;^)

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Posted: 09 October 2008 at 2:55am | IP Logged Quote cristelino

Thanks guys
I dont want ask UG forums because they don"t have experience in ProE
Of course is my first contact with UG but i have also experience 10 years IN ProE since 18 level,Autocad 10  (running in DOS MODE) until last versions,Euclid 4 years

Of course maybe in time i will change my opinion but i feel UG like a  ""JOKE""

Thanks again

Cristel



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Posted: 09 October 2008 at 4:39am | IP Logged Quote jeff4136

> I dont want ask UG forums because they don"t have experience in ProE

Uh huh.  Actually there are users posting in this group that also post
in that group and I think a couple of Pro/E users posting there that
don't post here.  The idea, though, was ("look there") to spend a little
time reading instead of asking.  You'll probably learn more.

I thought "ProE vs Unigraphics .....the winner is??????" was the joke.

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Posted: 09 October 2008 at 6:32am | IP Logged Quote cristelino

Thanks  Jeff4136
 
I spent 5 hours  with UG  and  i can"t bilieve how simple is.
Of course i did not  very complex modelisation,BUT in few hour i generate  the program to machinning this part.

Mention;i never saw UNIGRAPHICS  before

Of course is very important the past experience,finally i lose time only to search the options functionality of  the buttons

UG seems to me very simple.

Thanks for your advice


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Posted: 09 October 2008 at 9:07am | IP Logged Quote dgs

I've not used it personally, only heard from co-workers.  We have a seat here for our work with one client.

What I understand is there are two very different modeling philosophies at work here.  Pro|E's is parametric, with one feature driving later ones.  The relationships created are persistent, meaning if you sketch A tangent to existing geometry B, if B changes A will change with it and remain tangent.  UG is what's called Boolean and those relationships aren't necessarily persistent.  You can create A tangent to B, but if B changes you need to know the ramifications and go change A yourself to maintain the tangency.

That's my overly simplistic, and likely incomplete, understanding of the difference.



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Posted: 09 October 2008 at 9:33am | IP Logged Quote solidworm

as far as i know, NX is a parametric history based modeler, not what you call a Boolean modeler. they have recently ventured into the non-history side with the so called synchronous technology,which they claim as a game changer.basically it tries to find relations (tangency,concentricity,..) between surfaces and maintains those relations at users will.



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Posted: 09 October 2008 at 9:45am | IP Logged Quote design-engine

And they have had G2 round capability for years...

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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 4:26am | IP Logged Quote cristelino

Of course  a very good based opinion i can have  after  one year working in UG but i an sure in Unigraphics can do mistakes.

A lot

Maybe the last version is more powerfull.

for a complex design UNIGRAPHICS?


No way



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