Linux is faster?

Was
reading the Red Hat Linux post from 'Bugs & Builds' and realizing the hype
of linux operating systems ability to slim down the operating system for customized
performance.


The general consensus is that Wildfire running on
Linux with no other operations running can out perform other machines running
the ball hog windows xp or better. Does anyone remain witness to such
over performance?



Everyone I know runs multiple mashines networked in the office. One for Pro/E and another for email and such.




Edited by: design-engine

I have found on net this document:


2006-08-19_111203_Wildfire_on_linux.zip


Someone has already test wildfire on win vs Linux, the results are quite interesting


Side question: didn't PTC canceled Linux ProE versions?

Hey Isair,

PTC has dropped support currently for Pro/Mechanica running inside a Linux platform and is planning to drop support for the entire Pro/Engineer implementation in Wildfire 4.0 (as of March 2006).

I would have really like to have the Linux platform take off more than it has. I was really starting to think it would since graphics card suppliers were starting to make supported Linux drivers. I tried Wildfire 1.0 on RedHat linux a while back and I did find that it "seemed" a bit faster although I have personally not ran any test cases to be sure. There are some very good things about Linux. Linux basically doesn't lock you into a certain FS structure and PTC could have used this to their advantage (although probably in the end choosing a FS system for you in the Pro/E requirements). I am speculating that Pro/E with a Reiser4 FS would be most beneficial due to its fast handeling of small files and large directories with many files. The read/write support is amazing (although I have never tried this with Pro/E).

"... drop support for the entire Pro/Engineer implementation in Wildfire 4.0 (as of March 2006)."


I have no love for MS Windows and it's do everything for you whether you want it to or not paraigm,so that's sorta disheartening. Any PTC doc links?


Wonder if UGS is going to continue supporting Linux?

Hey Jeff,

I started a user poll about this for the very same reason. The TPI report where it is mentioned is #132153. I will reproduce it below for everybody who does not have PTC active maintenance.

--Start TPI Report--
<table ="boundedTop indent20"><t><tr><th ="nowrap" valign="top">Number</th>
<td valign="top">132153</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Type</th>
<td valign="top">TPI</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Created Date</th>
<td valign="top">16-Feb-2006</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Last Updated</th>
<td valign="top">09-Mar-2006</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Title</th>
<td valign="top">Linux Support for Mechanica will not be Provided for Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 3.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Details</th>
<td valign="top">

Description
<div ="indent10">


Pro/ENGINEER had been supported on Linux since the Pro/ENGINEER
Wildfire release, but PTC has seen very rare usage of Pro/ENGINEER
running on Linux. The adoption of Linux on the desktop has been very
slow in the PTC customer base. Although PTC originally had plans to
provide support for Mechanica on Linux in the Wildfire 3.0 release, we
have now decided to drop that support for the Production release of
Wildfire 3.0.



Unless there is a dramatic shift in the adoption of Linux by our
customers, PTC plans to discontinue support of Pro/ENGINEER on Linux in
the Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 4.0 release.
</div>

</td>
</tr>
</t></table>




<h3>Affected Products</h3>

<table ="boundedTop indent20">
<t><tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Product</th>
<td valign="top">Pro/ENGINEER</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Module</th>
<td valign="top">
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Reported Release</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Reported Datecode</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Resolved Release</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Resolved Datecode</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Affected Client</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Affected Server</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
</t></table>



<table ="boundedTop indent20">
<t><tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Product</th>
<td valign="top">Pro/MECHANICA</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Module</th>
<td valign="top">
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Reported Release</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Reported Datecode</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Resolved Release</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Resolved Datecode</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Affected Client</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Affected Server</th>
<td valign="top">Not Available</td>
</tr>
</t></table>





<h3>Related Documents</h3>

<table ="boundedTop indent20"><t><tr>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Type</th>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Number</th>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Status</th>
<th ="nowrap" valign="top">Description</th>
</tr>


<tr><td colspan="4" align="center">
None Available</td></tr></t></table>
--End TPI Report--

Well I guess that is good news for Bill. The only hope for
Linux is for internet web development and servers for web sites.

Thank you, Adam.


Guess it's a wait and see. In the hands of the large account holders?


As for it being the doom of Linux as an engineering application platform... ?


http://www.ugs.com/about_us/press/press.shtml?id=4367


Catia is sitting the fence, apparently.

I wonder how big of a project it is to port code over to linux or what
ever. I'll bet 70 percent of the budget is to just test the
product.

...they noticed very rare usage of Pro/E on Linux platform...


Duh, and Intralink was ported to Linux when? They didn't even plan to port it to Linux, so how can they expectthe usage will increase.

Intralink8 should work with Linux with no porting.

We have moved to Pro/E on Linux. Pro/E runs faster on Linux.

We run a complete manufacturing operation using Linux. We have 10 seats of Pro/E. We use Pro/NC Machining to program out 17 CNC 5-axis milling machines, lathes and mill/turn machines. We have found that eliminating Microsoft Windows and Windows (SMB) networking dramatically improved our efficiency. It enables us to easily automate tasks like revision control, engineering changes, BOM creating and maintenance. In spite of PTC's efforts to ignore Linux and hold it back (compared with Windows), it still proves to be a better solution.

I remember PTC pointing out that Pro/E Ran roughly 20% Faster on Linux vs Windows-XP-Pro. If it looks like the product is on the outs due to lack of adoption, then maybe it is time to ask the question about Apple OS/X....


PTC already has had a product ported to OS/X (Pro/CONCEPT) - I *think* it is still running on it - but it would be *really cool* if Pro/E was running on a Mac. Mac has come a VERY long way in a VERY short period of time, and I think the port would be fairly easy for PTC to do. I know I would personally switch in a heart beat (even though some of the MS-Office Applications would be a bit of an issue for some aspects). But with the advent of "parallels", having dual OSs (e.g. XP-Pro/Vista running on OS/X) would be slick and cost effective. There is the question of "everything else" - but Pro/E as a starting point would be a great first step, and I suspect that the adoption at the corporate/500-level would be slow (but defaintely faster than desktop Linux).


Anyone else crossing their fingers for the past 3 years?


Dave

If you want a high-end CAD system that runs on native Mac OS-X, UGS's NX-5 will be released with a OS-X port. Apple has been running NX-4 on OS-X for a while.